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good morning. i'm chris jansing. right now, two critical deals are proving elusive. no cease fire in the middle east where a bus explosion in tel aviv injured at least 19 people. secretary of state hillary clinton just wrapped up talking to the palestinian president about ending the violence, and she'll meet with leaders in cairo next. now, the other deal, the president and congressional leaders are working on, no progress on the fiscal cliff either. congressional leaders are taking a holiday breaks from the talks, but staff members have not been encouraged by their early huddles. let me bring in politico's deputy white house editor and joanne green, managing editor of the brie owe and msnbc contributor. good morning. >> good morning. >> we'll get to the situation in the middle east in just a minute. i want to start with the fiscal cliff and politico's front page today. "rough start for fiscal cliff
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talks." looked like everything was going really well after that first meeting. now that the dealing is really getting under way, the sources tell politico neither side seems actually all that serious. what's going on here? >> our reporting shows that despite the politics of the seeming to suggest that a deal should be struck and despite the meeting that happened with the congressional leaders at the white house last week that had everybody walk out of it and use the word constructive and talk about how nice the meeting was, when they've gotten down to brass tacks and what would have to be done and where the tax rates would need to be raised and where the cuts to medicare and medicaid would need to be, both sides seem unwilling to believe that the other side is really serious about making the changes that then. >> ben bernanke weighed in on this yesterday. let me play that for you. >> indeed, by the reckoning of the congressional budget office, the cbo, and that of many outside observers, a fiscal shock of that size would send the economy toppling back into recession.
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>> everyone i've had on this program, all the members of congress, have said to me, joanne, we have to get this done, of course it's going to get done. but we should remember it was a year ago today the grand bargain failed. so what's it going to take? >> you know, i think it might take the new congress being seated. i mean, if you think about it, you still have a lame duck congress so, while the election may have changed the atmosphere and sort of the story line for the members, the actual people themselves are still there. so they've not changed their ideologies at all. i think that the problem is that you have john boehner, president and mitch mcconnell negotiating with the exact same congress that they had when they couldn't make a deal the last time. so i think until the personnel change, i'm not sure you can get a deal. >> and juan kessler, the fact checker for "the washington post," has reported that, you know, you have to come from, like, some point point. you have to have a negotiating point to start with. he said democrats and republicans haven't even agreed on a baseline yet. they're about $3 trillion apart
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because of ending the wars, medicare, other cuts. so how do you come to some agreement in what is a numbers game really if you don't even have a number to start with? >> i think one of the things we'll see happen here is the idea of a grand bargain, of one deal that gets all this stuff averted between now and -- it's not going to happen. it doesn't seem that there's anything that would suggest that they'll be able to get to that point of putting this all together into one deal. so what will happen is they'll figure out some solution that gets us past the next couple of months. of course goes into the beginning of next year when there's another debt ceiling raise that needs to happen, and that leads to all sorts of problems as well, potentially. so they're going to have to figure out some way to get this through for three mos, six months, each one doing part of the deal, part of the revenue changes, part of the spending cuts. >> a lot of key players in this. one that's talked about quite a bit, joanne, and that is paul ryan. obviously, the budget guy on the republican side. if he's looking at his political
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future, is it smarter to be a deal maker or hard line conservative? >> well, see, the problem is it's sort of both. he wants to run another republican primary. he needs to be seen as sticking to his principles. he really doesn't have an incentive to move off particularly the main line principle of not raising taxes. in a republican primary, that can be a big problem, which ironically is the same problem for john boehner. he wants to retain his speakership. if he makes a deal before january 3rd, that's a question for him, too. ryan has a double incentive. on the one hand, the new republican party, quote, unquote, you would think being a deal maker makes more sense but there's still a primary and the base of the republican party hasn't moved. >> congressman tom cole is a republican from oklahoma. good morning. >> good to be with you. >> we said this is a numbers game. here's one bottom line -- 90% of americans will see their bills go up if you don't reach a deal. are republicans willing to compromise? >> oh, i think we are. i think the speaker's made that very clear, that he's put
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revenue on the table. pretty important as to how you get that revenue. i was disappointed to see leader pelosi saying it had to be higher rates or nothing. i don't think that's how you begin a negotiation. >> what about the possibility of keeping the same rates but eliminating deductions for wealthy? >> that's a very good potential suggestion. again, i think that would meet with broad support. that's consistent with what the speaker's laid out, gets the revenue, but we think in a method that probably helps foster growth. long term, you've got to have a growing economy to deal with problem we're dealing with. unfortunately, we think the proposals from -- some of the proposals from the democratic side are counterproductive. >> what do you consider counterproductive? what is a nonstarter for you? >> first of all, i'm not going to talk in terms of nonstarters. let's wait and see what the deal is. you have to let the negotiators do their job. i have a great deal of confidence in the speaker. it's hard for me to believe he would come back with a deal to present to the conference that i
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couldn't support. again, i trust him. but i think, you know, better not to raise rates. now, the president has a whip in his hand. if he wants rates to go up, he can raise them on everybody. he could have done that two years ago. i think he made a reasonable decision two years ago, extended the bush tax cults, got some things he wanted in exchange. i think the two sides can bargain together. even the debt ceiling isn't a bargain. it's an agreement. this idea that we don't know how to sit down and find middle ground i think is actually not valid and born out by what's occur sod far. >> let me play for you something senator barry sanders said on "news nation" yesterday. >> the first question is who should bear the burden of us a ter the austerity? do you go after nutrition programs, throw kids off medicaid, force elderly people
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struggling to stay alive to pay more for medicare? >> why not ask millionaires and billionaires to pay more? you can call them small business owners, jobbey kra or the e cre they're still millionaires and billionaires. >> revenue is on the table. that should answer the question. anything who knows anything about the numbers knows it's not enough. if you don't reform the programs the senator was talking about, we're going to lose those programs. we won't have social security or medicare or medicaid. they're going broke. if the president got every tax increase he's asked for, those programs would still be going broke. at the end of the day, if you don't put fundamental reform on the table, revenue alone simply won't do the trick. let's point out, too, the president must like the bush tax comes. he's accepted 80% of them for about 95% of the american people. so he's ruled a lot of revenue off the table himself. i agree with him on that, but let's recognize that absent reform and these basic
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entitlement programs you're simply putting a band-aid on a problem that requires major surgery. >> congressman tom cole, happy thanksgiving to you and yours. thank you. >> thank you. >> back to the middle east now where secretary of state hillary clinton has obviously been very busy moving between jerusalem, the west bank, egypt. nbc's stephanie gosk is live in tel aviv. what are you hearing about the cease fire? >> reporter: you know, we were on the cusp of a cease-fire it seemed like last night and it seemingly fell apart. however, we did hear from israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu that they still want a diplomatic solution, which is a real sign that at the very least the negotiations are still going on. we know that secretary clinton is shuttling back and forth throughout the region trying to make that happen. it's complicated today, chris, by this bus blast in jerusalem. there were at least 11 people injured, several of them seriously. officials here are calling it a terrorist attack although not a suicide attack. and as you know, it will be a familiar scene on the ground
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here in israel for people in tel aviv and all across the country. this was a tactic used a lot by palestinian militants about a decade ago. in recent years they haven't seen it. the last bus blast was back in 2004. and just soon after it, a spokesman for hamas came out with a statement calling it a heroic attack. chris? >> stephanies go income tel aviv for us. thank you. i want to play for you something hillary clinton had to say yesterday. >> america's commitment to israel's security is rock solid and unwavering. that is why we believe it is essential to de-escalate the situation in gaza. the goal must be a durable outcome that promotes regional stability and advances the security and legitimate aspirations of israelis and palestinians alike. >> obviously, there's a lot at stake here for the people who live in the region, for the
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entire international community. but politically, i'm wondering what's at stake for hillary clinton and for this white house that seems to be approaching the middle east process differently than it did in the first term. >> well, if you look ahead to the next four years of obama's second term, it's clear that the middle east is going to be a region that is going to be very much on his mind between what's going on in gaza, libya, syria, and of course the whole situation with iran and the nuclear weapons there that they're trying to build there. this is a situation where all these things are tied together. hamas clearly feels emboldened by some of the changes in leadership in the arab world that came from the arab spring. and the u.s. is in this position where they are standing by israel, very clearly they have said that they support israel's right to defend itself. hillary clinton has met with the palestinian leader weather the egyptian president, with the israeli prime minister but not with hamas. that's going to continue to reverberate in the way that the president has dealings with the arab world going forward from this, and that's what they're
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looking at as they look forward to the next four years. >> the question, can she get this deal done or push it along. >> and she's dealing with a very different set of players. the playing field has changed dramatically. you have an egypt, tunisia that are no longer in the same position vis-a-vis israel. th then you have turkey, too. that's another sort of wild card where the relationship between israel and turkey deteriorated so much from 2010 to today that, you know, the u.s. really is in a position where they really can't take too many steps back from israel because it's more isolated now than it was even two years ago. so it's a complicated situation. i think that if hillary clinton can navigate it, i think if we're just talking pure politics of it here, it's very good for her. but it's a much more complicated middle east. >> it's also fascinating on a very different level because we learned that she and the president were flying back from burma -- from cambodia, they spent almost the whole time on that plane reminiscing about the last four years, you know, about
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running against each other. and the conclusion is that they're not just partners in this obviously very high-stakes international affairs game, but they're friends. this relationship has really come full circle, hasn't it. >> no question. a relationship has been built. it's amazing when you think about it, the way the fight got so bittner parts of the 2008 primary campaign, when they were mocking each other, when they were clearly angry at each other. and then when barack obama offered her the job as secretary of state and she was le re luck tant to take it at first and everybody thought maybe this wouldn't work, it's very nice that obama wants to copy the team of rivals idea, but it actually has worked and it's more than just a team of rivals. they've worked to establish a very strong personal and professional relationship here. >> it's amazing how many articles have been written about the comparisons between lincoln, the movie, which is based on doris' book "team of rivals" and what's going on in white house today. happy thanksgiving to you both. >> thank you.
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secretary of state clinton is meeting with egyptian president morsi in cairo right now just hours after the bombing of an israeli passenger bus. secretary clinton issued this statement on the bombing -- "the united states strongly condemns this terrorist attack and our thoughts and prayers are with the victims and the people of israel." let me bring in congressman steve israel, a democrat from new york, and chair of the democratic congressional campaign committee.
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congressman, good morning. >> good morning, chris. >> u.n. representative cole sent a letter to president morsi asking him to refrain from giving hamas cover to intensify its attacks by allowing egyptian delegations to visit gaza. of course, morsi has been a major player in these truce negotiations. do you think he's sending a mixed message? >> well, he is sending a mixed message. you know, i hope that president morsi is able to play a constructive role. but when high-level delegations of egyptians go into gaza under the pretense of a cease-fire and then terrorist groups violate that cease fire, if israel were to defend itself and members of the delegation was tragically hurt in that attack, we do not want that to be used as a pretense to violate the egyptian/israeli peace treaty. one other thing on this, chris. look, there's a fundamental truth here. i was on the border of gaza and israel in august of 2005 when israel unilaterally and without any preconditions left gaza.
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actually went in and asked jews this in there to leave. they said here is the land, build something with it, reform your economy, modernize, strive for peace and economic development. do you know what they got in return for leaving gaza without any preconditions and doing it unilaterally? they got rocket attacks. the palestinians used gaza not to launch the modernization of their economy but to launch rockets firing on israeli schools. so there will be peace in gaza and in the middle east when the palestinians make the calculation that there's more to be gained by teaching their children how to put things together than teaching them how to blow things up. >> let me ask you really quickly, nbc news reporting this morning that iran may be indirectly helping supply wea n weapons to hamas. is this going to have an impact on these delicate negotiations and the mideast conflict as a whole? >> well, i think it sure will. you know, iran's fingerprints are all over this. the missiles have a 47-mile
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range. one half of the population of israel is in range and at risk as a result of this collection of missiles, and at the end of the day, we need to continue to have a very tough and smart approach towards iran to stop their nuclear program and to stop them from spreading terrorism throughout the middle east and the world. >> you've also got your a lot on your plate domestically. you were chosen to continue as chairman of the democratic congressional campaign committee having, i think fair to say outperformed expectations in the elections. first democratic caucus in history to have a majority of women and minorities. but you are still in the minority. so i'm wondering, congressman, do you think that this election has really changed the game when you get into some of these contentious issues? >> i do. i think this election was a mandate for problem solving and solutions. we recruited candidates throughout the country who weren't about left or right, they were about moving forward, solving problems. and in this election we started to roll back the tea party tide. the major tea party icons in
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congress were defeated because their own constituents had rejected their rejectionism, had rejected their extremism. so we continue to be ready, willing, and able to compromise, to find common ground, to solve problems with republicans and we're going to continue to recruit and run people in districts throughout this country who are interested primarily in moving this country forward and solving problems. >> one of those tea party favorite, florida representative alan west, finally conceded to patrick murphy in when was one of the most probably high-profile congressional races in the country. are you suggesting, though, that the tea party is not much of a factor anymore? >> well, we rolled back the tea party tide. alan west, for example, ran proudly as a tea party icon. he said that the majority of democrats in congress were communists. that kind of extremism and that kind of rhetoric just doesn't fit. most districts in america. if you've got a fairly moderate
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congressional district that's interested in solutions, you reject that kind of extremism and that kind of rhetoric. and the more republicans clinging to that kind of tea party extremism, the less relevant they will be, the more likely it is they will lose their seats and we can get back to the business of moving america forward and solving problems, not creating more problems. >> new york congressman steve israel, good of you to take time on this day before thanksgiving. >> happy thanksgiving. >> president obama is back at the white house this morning after his historic three-day trip to asia, arriving just before 4:00 this morning. later the the president is scheduled to pardon the national turkey before the first family participates in a service project. meantime, do you know who was the first president to pardon the thanksgiving turkey? we'll get a little history lesson a little later on in the program. oh no, not a migraine now.
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as secretary of state hillary clinton tries to broker a cease-fire between hamas and israel, here at home the controversy is growing surrounding her potential replacement, susan rice. assistant house democratic leader james clyburn is now suggesting that race may have something to do with republican opposition to the u.s. ambassador to the u.n., including those calling rice incompetent for her handling of the benghazi terror attack. >> these are code words. we heard them during the campaign. during this recent campaign, we heard senator sununu calling our president lazy, incompetent. these kinds of terms that those of us, especially those of us who are born and raised in the south, we've been hearing these little words and phrases all of our lives, and we get insulted by them. >> let's bring in republican strategist and former huckabee
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campaign manager dick salzman and former campaign manager steve elmendorf. good morning. >> good morning. >> steve, could race have something to do with the opposition to rice as clyburn suggests? >> they haven't come up with any, to me, any substantive reason they're opposed to susan rice. i think the republicans need to understand that we won the election and that the president generally gets to pick his team and if he's not going to get to pick his team, they have to have a real good substantive reason not. i haven't heard john mccain or lindsey grame say susan rice should not be secretary of state if president obama wants her to be. >> and california congress welcome karen bass also ratzed concerns about the opposition to susan rice. >> this really compromises us and makes us look ridiculous i believe internationally because as far as i'm concerned, again, this is my colleagues on the other side of the aisle that are still recovering from november 6th. the election is over. >> chip, is it fair? what's going on here with this
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opposition? >> well, unfortunately, i think this has a little bit to do with politics on both sides, and it's always kind of funny to watch both parties after an election when they go after the other one's nominees and go this is all politics, this is terrible, and yet when they're on the opposite side they do the same thing. senator mccain and senator graham certainly have points they'll discus during the nomination process. susan rice is not the nominee to be the next united states secretary of state. and when that process happens, i think the senate will do its job through the constitution and vet that candidate, and that's what they do. >> but this is all about the sunday talk shows she did when she talked about benghazi. "the new york times" reports that second toir clinton was originally asked by the white house to talk about it but frankly was exhausted after a very busy week and said susan rice filled in, she recruited the talking points that were given. are republicans making her a scapegoat? >> i think they want to get to the truth. the one thing i applaud the administration on is they're doing investigations, they want to get to the truth. i think the republicans in the
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senate are doing their job, too. they want the know the truth. when did the administration know exactly what that was. i think when you trot out something like this was because of a videotape, it raises questions. i think if she is nominated to be secretary of state, this is all going to be hashed out in the committee hearings. >> to be fair, besides the criticism from some conservatives, leading columnists including maureen dowd and dana milbank have crazed questions. this is dana's column. she united statess it's ill equipped to be the nation's top diplomat for reasons that have little to do with libya. even in a town that rewards sharp el lows and sometime obscenities. near nearly 100 house republicans have sent a letter to the president urging them not to nominate her. is he willing to spend the political capital? >> i think he will if he decides she's the choice. we need to remember the house republicans have nothing to do with confirming secretary of
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states. i know susan rice, worked with her in the john kerry campaign in 2004. she has the skill and the judgment to be secretary of state if president obama wants her to be. >> it's unfair? >> completely unfair. it's a tough town and lots of people want to be secretary of state i suspect. and the press has a role to play here, but at the end of the day i think if barack obama, who's just been rere elected, would like susan rice to be his secretary of state, she will be. >> steve, chip, happy thanksgiving. >> happy thanksgiving. >> also making news this morning, investigators say they're questioning people in connection with an explosion that killed two residents and virtually leveled a neighborhood in indianapolis. police say they have served search warrants, although they haven't made any arrests yet. sources are also telling "the indianapolis star" that investigators believe gas was intentionally leased into one of the homes and that blast may have been sparked remotely. elmo puppeteer kevin clash is leaving "sesame street" after a second man accused him of
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underage sexual abuse. he's silling for there are 25 million. in the first case, sesame workshop said it found no basis for the claim and the accuser recanted. former boxer hector macho camacho is in critical condition after he was shot in the face yesterday. police say he was sitting in his car in his hometown in puerto rico when a gunman opened fire. another man in that car was killed. san francisco lawmakers narrowly voted 6-5 to ban public nudity in the city. after the vote last night, a small group of protesters started undressing, but they were covered up by police. the ban goes into effect february 1st. there are exceptions, though. nudity will be allowed in some street fairs and parades. and 43 million americans are expected to travel this thanksgiving holiday, although it's coming at a price. transportation experts say a lot of people are cutting back on summer vacations to save money
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well, it looked like it really could be the end for hostess brands. last-ditch mediation talks have fallen apart. mandy drury is here with what's moving your money. this is bad news for more than 18,000 workers, not to mention people who love their twinkies,
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ho-hos and ding dongs. >> absolutely. just in case this scenario came to be, there are plenty of people out there who have been hoarding hostess products. we hear ats love stories, one guy in oklahoma, for example, who stuffed his freezer full of twinkies. you hear other reports of shelves being cleaned out in many stores. also this holiday people really wanted this company to stay in business. at this stage, though, hostess will continue down the path to a full liquidation. it's already shuttered its plants, sent its workers home. now we'll wait and see what potential buyers are out there. a number of names flik flower's foods that owns nature's own bread and some suggest private firm sun capital is interested in making an offer for the entire business. we'll to wait and see. >> i'm trying to figure out why you would put twinkies in a freezer because don't they last forever anyway? i digress. can we talk about union? walmart is trying to stop
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union-organized and protests ahead of the busiest shopping day of the year. what's the latest? >> what i'm hearing is federal labor officials apparently do not expect to decide before thursday on whether to hear -- sorry, whether to seek an injunction on behalf of walmart to stop a union-backed group from encouraging work or walkouts. walmart says the demonstrations threaten to disrupt their business and also intimidate customers and other store workers. this is the statement they put out, chris. >> cnbc's mandy drury, happy thanksgiving to you. >> thank you. nearly 40 million americans are expected to take to roads this thanksgiving holiday, but the stress doesn't end whuns they've reached their destination. it could be just the beginning, especially coming on the heels of a divisive election. this thanksgiving, instead of just passing the turkey, you might want to pass on the political talk, too. i'm joined by anna post, great-great-granddaughter of emily post and co-author of emily post's etiquette, 18th
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edition and johnathan, msnbc contributor. welcome to both of you. >> hi, chris. >> a lot of people haven't had a chance to talk act the election results. >> you think? not enough of it. >> fireworks and not even the 4th of july. >> well, yeah. depending on which side of the family is there and who they voted for or didn't vote for and how vocal they are, you know, certainly pro-obama folks at the table will be very prideful, you know, thumping their chests over the victory, and the folk who is voted for mitt romney might be a little quiet at the table, probably not as -- >> or defensive. >> yeah. very defensive, you know, about 47% or gifts or whatever things mitt romney may have said. >> so i guess my question is, anna, do you just have to declare a truce and say this is off limits? what do you do for family harmony and for digestive purposes? >> normally i think there's a way to talk about any issue that's interesting as long as you keep the boundaries down.
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at thanksgiving dinner so close to the election, this might be too hard to do. might be easier to pass on this one. have a couple of outs, you know, an exit strategy. >> i thought you were going to say have a couple of drinks. >> i was going to say that will make it worse. uncle steve at the table. sorry. >> no. exactly. if you get cornered by somebody, have an exit strategy, have a question before hand ready to go to kind of redirect conversation because frankly we've all already voted. you're not going to change anybody's mind. >> has it gotten worse in recent years, jonathan, in part because of people like you who write columns that get us all worked up? >> yes. >> yes. it's my fault. >> it's my fault. it's our fault. but also because there's so much information out there, so many people have things to say on twitter, on facebook, on blogs and newspapers. magazines. >> a little information can be a dangerous thing for the holiday around the table. >> especially information that you don't know whether it's true or not nap's the other thing. >> you've been reading too many blogs.
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what are the rules for etiquette for surviving a family meal, especially at thanksgiving when the whole idea is to say aren't we all glad to be sitting around the same table and sharing our time together? >> keep the focus there. but if it does come up, you know, don't get too judgmental in comments. you know, i can't believe you voted for that person or i can't believe you think that. those are very judgmental things. stick to facts instead. we all know there's a lot of them out there, but they can sometimes be a little bit more neutral. and lastly, you know, if you do get cornered, i think we'll just have to agree to disagree, who wants some apple pie. >> the second one was don't assume you know how people voted. you know? >> yes. this has been -- a lot of times, you know, you're at the dinner table and some blues and reds in the room, you don't know where everybody might have landed so don't make comments assuming everybody agrees with you. if you have a table full of blue with one red or vice versa, don't leave them out in the cold. >> so i have to ask the inevitable question. do we all think we're going to be sitting at mixed color dinner
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tables tomorrow? >> i won't. i know that for a fact. >> blue all the way. >> oh, yeah. >> i think we have some nice diversity at my table that we'll be seeing. >> anna post, thank you for coming in. great to see you. always good to see you, jonathan, who fought through traffic from washington, d.c., to be here. >> just to be here. >> today's "tweet of the day" puts black friday into perspective. jack writes because only in america people trample each other for sales exactly one day after being thankful for what they already have. so what are you thankful for this year? join the nbc thanksgiving social initiative #whyimthankful. tweet us using the hashtag and we may read your comments on the air. ♪ (announcer) when subaru owners look in the mirror, they see more than themselves.
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we have developing news out of the middle east, pictures coming in to msnbc of secretary of state hillary clinton. there she is meeting with egyptian president morsi. she has been shuttling back and forth between jerusalem, the west bank, now in cairo trying to stop the violence, of course not meeting with hamas leaders but with president morsi, who is acting as an intermediary to the messages for hamas. we will seep you posted as we learn more about that diplomacy that is ongoing. in just a few hours, president obama has a big decision to make. will it be cobbler or gobbler? the president will make the annual turkey pardon in the rose guardn this afternoon. one bird will become the national turkey and both will escape the thanksgiving dinner table and live the rest of their lives on george washington's mt. vernon estate in virginia. nbc deputy political editor domenidoe men joins was more on the annual tradition. this is one of your favorites, history buff that you are.
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it doesn't go back as far as i thought it might. >> it doesn't go back all that far. there was some confusion 15 years ago in bill clinton's pardon ceremony where he credited harry truman with having been the first to pardon a turkey. but, in fact, the truman library told us about three years ago when we first started doing this post, that he ate the bird most likely. >> what? >> that any bird that came to him he ate. >> no! >> so he was no pardon. >> say it sunt so. >> i'm doing the same thing tomorrow so i don't know about you. >> me, too. okay. >> the first president to actually pardon the turkey it seems for thanksgiving was jfk in 1963. we looked back and tried to find any other evidence of a president pardoning a turkey before that and the only thing we could find was abe lincoln who pardoned a turkey but it was for christmas. it was give on the him and supposed to be prepared for the christmas dinner table but as the tale goes his son took a liking to the bird and they
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decided to keep it as a pet. the president to formalize the white house tradition was george h.w. bush in 1989. and since then it's really become the tradition that you've seen that we're more accustomed to seeing over the past 20 years. >> and i think we have those pictures of ronald reagan, who always seemed, at least to me, to be enjoying it. >> yeah. >> look at that. >> right. although it's not clear he, you know -- >> maybe not at that exact second he he might not have enjoyed it. >> look at that. yeah. the other fact to know about this here, and this is kind of morb morbid, but these birds, they're raised to be eaten, and they only live an average of two years after they're pardoned. in fact, one of the birds president obama pardoned and was supposed to live out its life on mt. vernon, it did, but it was a short remainder of its life. >> i guess it's a nice place to live in any case.
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of course not everybody likes this tradition, including peta. >> right. well, peta doesn't like the killing of any animals to be eaten or not. you know, i mean, there's discussion about whether or not, you know, these kinds of bird -- like i brought up the fact they're raised to be eaten. peta has a problem with that. these aren't exactly free-range turkeys that are out there. that is obviously peta trying to get itself in the news with this anytime there's an animal that's eaten. they're going to, you know, be able to try to insert itself. >> and i just was reminded by my intrepid producer that george bush, this is george w. bush. right? is that right? yeah. got bitten. >> got bit by a turkey. yeah. it's probably not the best idea to -- they're not exactly domestic animals so i don't think petting a bird, no matter
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your political skills, probably not a good idea. >> domenico, i hope you enjoy your turkey tomorrow and thank you for this little history lesson. >> i'm prepping dinner once again, hosting my family down here, so i will be getting -- brining my turkey as soon as i get home. >> he's a briner. wow. >> i do. i mix the brining with this early seasoning and it comes out pretty nice. >> next year we will put that recipe on our website. domenico, thank you and happy thanksgiving to you and yours. >> thanks. same to you. happy thanksgiving. >> before we leave you, holiday travel is getting into full swing. the weather channel's maria larosa is joining me from atlanta with an update. how are things looking? >> reporter: fantastic. sometimes holiday travel is blizzards and rain and snarling traffic. all in all, things are looking great. this is the downtown connector, 75 and 85 coming together
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downtown. traffic is moving beautifully, probably one city where the holiday rush is a little easier than a typical morning rush. not the case everywhere. we have had a few hang-ups already this morning. take, for example, chicago. big-time delays at midway because of the fog. they've had dense nothing advisories posted. visibility has been down to less than a sixteenth of a mile, which is basically zero. so you can imagine what that's done to some of the flights having reports of cancellations there. also our big weather system in the pacific northwest along the 5 outwarlds of i-90 from seattle, you have the wind, the rain, and some mountain snow to contend with and keep in mind, san francisco, one of the top busiest airports for thanksgiving travel, is affected by that weather. so we're going to keep an eye on san francisco for potential weather-related delays. otherwise, from the southwest to the ohio valley to the northeast, all in all, chris, this is a very easy weather travel week ahead. >> good news for a lot of people. thank you so much, maria larosa.
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and anybody who's coming into new york city should know that a lot of midtown is blocked off, especially mid midtown, fifth, sixth, seventh avenue because of the parade. get out your walking shoes. i'm chris jansing. here is hoping you and yours do have a very happy thanksgiving. thomas roberts is up next. you're not the cook, are you. >> i'm not. we're volunteering tomorrow. >> good for you. >> so we both get out of cooking. how about you? >> i'm going to get on a plane, go to north carolina where it should be nice and sunny at the beach, see my family. >> have a fantastic time. >> thank you. >> happy thanksgiving. enjoy your time off. >> thank you. next hour, rapid developments in the middle east as second toir clinton holds talks for a cease-fire between israel and the gaza strip. meanwhile, a bus explosion in tel aviv has injured 19 people. we'll bring you up to speed on the details of that. then to afghanistan and general jon allen back on the job in kabul. but the investigation continues into his knowledge and involvement with the women at the center of the david petraeus
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